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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I thought the last one was hard, you are a bad man Maeniel, a very bad man.


Razz I figured since the last topic was alien, why not do something somewhat related? This could be a trend....
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that this is still somewhat topic-related, and not as purely stylistic as some other challenges you've given us. Anyway, we'll see how this goes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, that's good enough for me. ^_^
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja-baleeted...sorry, I thought that my post might have been unwarranted, mean, or snarky. Sad But since you already replied/saw it, here's what I said.

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I don't see how this is really topic-related... This is a bona-fide literary device that deals with point of view. Sure, it's not as specific or concrete as, say, chiasmus, but I think this is fairly comparable to parody, script, and stream-of-consciousness. This device is most commonly found in science fiction, but I could argue that it's also found in many existential or classic works as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would The Screwtape Letters, by CS Lewis, also be a good example of ostranenie?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't had a chance to read that, but from what Wiki says, it would be. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure that I would classify The Screwtape Letters as ostranenie, myself. That said, there are plenty of examples of it in other genres than science fiction, though science fiction tends to lend itself best to it. When we consider ostranenie, we think about familiar things becoming unfamiliar. Thus it is much easier to more forward in time than backward, and the familiar becomes unfamiliar through aliens, time warps, seeing a lost civilization (or OUR lost civilization), and so on. However, it could be argued that anthropology almost exclusively deals with ostranenie. We do our best to reconstruct a culture based simply on what we find, when in fact what we believe to be an exotic necklace may only be a toilet seat (to use my sociology professor's favorite example). It's similar to the topic at hand, except in this case we're the ones familiar with it, trying to describe it (without explaining it) to someone who has never seen either a necklace OR a toilet seat.

BTW, I didn't find your reply mean, really. Then again, my basis for comparison is a bit more potent. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tenshi wrote:
seeing a lost civilization (or OUR lost civilization)


Now that could make an awesome novel...
Though since my last thing was rather apocalyptic...

Actually I have started writing, and it's sort of modern-fantasy with no real explanation (I'm sure there's a fancy name for that, too) that does make both the characters and possibly even the readers look at something in a new light. It's based on a concept in my head I've liked for a while but never put a story to before. I like how these competitions are encouraging me to do a lot of that Very Happy

So I might be the first to post again Confused I have to post early (and will probably miss the voting) because I'm going on holiday abroad for the last week of January and the first week of February.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually I have started writing, and it's sort of modern-fantasy with no real explanation (I'm sure there's a fancy name for that, too)


Oh god... Does anybody remember the fiasco that was magical realism?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, sounds intriguing! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am coming up totally blank. I don't want to repeat any of the suggestions already given because that's like cheating, but I can't think of anything!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You and me both
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a tip, pick up something nearby. Totally random something, something you normally take for granted. Now, examine it in every possible detail. The curvature of it, the spindles, the spikes, the colors, the patterns... ANYTHING about it, now take all of that... and look at it again. Try and figure out what it would be for, if it had to be for anything other than what it really was for. Be creative, make wild guesses. Now, what else could you say to describe the thing?

That exercise has helped me in my writing several times, in trying to explain something that's not in the normal world.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have discovered my idea! It's a little bit different from your more physical example, Usa, and inspired by the "U @ 50" second place winner that's gotten so much attention.

I wrote a play like that once, actually. I won't say what it's about because that wouldn't help Ax, but it does follow Usa's latest example. Unless Ax wants me to, of course.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the sort of thing you mean? Thaco explains cheese.
http://goblins.keenspot.com/d/20070128.html

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Unless Ax wants me to, of course.


I would like that yes, please.

Thanks for the help, I still have no ideas but at least the gears have started moving
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