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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Beluosus wanted Earthsong's job back when it was first created. Since then he has:

1) Suffered some kind of calamity which led the other planets to believe he had been destroyed;

2) Presumably lost his own children as part of aforesaid calamity;

3) Brought his core umpteen bazillion miles through space to Earthsong;

4) and waged war on ES and her visiting children for thousands of years.

On top of that, he just ain't looking too good these days.

So, maybe he still wants ES's job; but he very well may have other goals now instead.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm loving the forum activity brought on by the reveal. ^_^ Keep up the speccing!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaraNevyn wrote:
And wasn't part of the reason ES was given the power and position the fact she didn't have an Eve? So now that she does, is Bel the only one left who could have the position?


Earthsong, or one of the Guard, could kill Willow...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now, I'm not so sure that wouldn't kill Earthsong herself. o_0
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tinalles wrote:
Well, Beluosus wanted Earthsong's job back when it was first created. Since then he has:

1) Suffered some kind of calamity which led the other planets to believe he had been destroyed;

2) Presumably lost his own children as part of aforesaid calamity;

3) Brought his core umpteen bazillion miles through space to Earthsong;

4) and waged war on ES and her visiting children for thousands of years.

On top of that, he just ain't looking too good these days.

So, maybe he still wants ES's job; but he very well may have other goals now instead.

It seems likely to me that he's looking for a way to control or blackmail Earthsong into doing what he wants. If the other planets think he's dead, then they're be likely to realize it if Earthsong kicked the bucket as well. So if he could somehow control her without potential fatality, he'd be more likely to use that method. Perhaps that's what he was looking for in all of the children he took - a way to control Earthsong. He seems a bit too sneaky to try anything more direct.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably considering how to infect Willow, and thus infecting Earthsong's core, thus infecting Earthsong and taking over. At this point, he doesn't want her job, since that requires responsibility and compassion. Now he wants the power he could potentially drain from all of those soulstone bearers. He may be even more shortsighted, and simply want to drain Earthsong and take over her planet-body.


At this point, haven't you learned that simpler is probably better? When Bel said he failed, he meant he thought he failed to infect her soulstone. Remember, he's had experience in that (Nanashi). Then he realized Willow was Earthsong's Eve, and has a new Brilliant Plan (TM).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamir wrote:
Question for the Tinman - did you already know? Wink


Heh. Lady told me via PM back in 2005, before the Redux project began.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figured as much. ^_^
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamir wrote:
Right now, I'm not so sure that wouldn't kill Earthsong herself. o_0


The eve must dies for most planets at some point and it would be quite a drawback if your eve getting eaten or something was enough to kill the planet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe once the Eve has had children, the element is spread among them and losing the Eve doesn't hurt the planet so much? I dunno. And one doesn't need to worry about Eves getting eaten, they're rather powerful.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

90% of any conflict is decided a long time before anything happens, even among animals. I could probably kill every single member of Haven's Guard with very little trouble and I've got no powers, as such, whatsoever. Willow might be powerful in a standup fight, provided she actually has access to her powers, but unless she's immune to being shot in the back, crushed, poisoned, etc, she'd be a massive liability.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*cough* Eves are immortal.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, immortal! Like... non-aging or non-killable? (sounds like both)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rechaana wrote:
but don't Eves choose how their elemental powers manifest??
Dunno. Do they? Where did you read that?

Rechaana wrote:
Btw, how does an Eve's power compare to the power of someone with a soulstone?
A soulstone bearer has "as much [power] as an Eve, but unnaturally so." So, flipping the sentence around, an Eve's power compares to that of someone with a soulstone on a 1:1 basis.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, that would be what 'not mortal' - rephrased as 'immune to mortality' - means.

There are myths supporting both distinctions. One has a nymphs falling in love with a mortal man, and asking her father to grant him immortality. However, she forgot to ask for eternal youth as well, and the mortal grew older and older, eventually withering away to a grasshopper (this being the origin of the grasshopper). The nymph's sister also fell in love with a mortal man, and grew wise from her sister's folly. She asked for eternal youth, but set no limits on it, and her father put the mortal to eternal sleep - eternally preserved, and eternally young.

So if this what my story to warp, I'd have the Eves be un-killable, un-dying, and un-aging. If they had to age, it'd probably be extremely slowly. Almost imperceptibly. In this situation they'd probably not be un-dying, in that they would be able to die of old age... eventually.



Rechaana: I seem to remember the powers being related to the soulstone material.
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